Curse

Manderlock · May 19, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by JohnCoke

Agreed. It's a moral issue..

If the drops aren't random, what makes them think that the dice roll will be?

But quite frankly from where I stand, they're are 6 of them and it was obvious what they're aiming for. I'd let them have it, they did the work made the build but just quite didn't have enough people to fill it up. So they hope and pray that 6 out of 8 is good enough chances... it wasn't. Can't blame them for trying, also for sigils selling for $40+ on ebay... the other people calling them a whiny guild and laugh in their face... you disgust me. I already have a guild hall, and you disgust me.

Your the reason why sigils are what they are instead of what the devs intended. Hope they get it fixed soon.

And you disgust me.

There is no reason that the the OP should have given up the sigil. He/she got it fair and square. Simply because they where ulucky they threaten the OP and I'm shure call him/her nasty names. It was a random drop they had a better chance to get it when it droped than the OP and the other guy. The only reason the wanted to dice roll was so that they could play the odds again.

I would have laughed to if they where threating me.

Redfang · May 19, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

This is my rule.

People agree to loot distribution when the group is formed;

-or-

People live with the loot distribution the game randomly assigns.

If I had been told when I joined the group, hey, "if a sigil drops we are all going to roll for it, ok?", and if I had randomly been awarded the sigil, I would have honored my promise.

But absent such an agreement, no way am I giving up loot I can use because someone belatedly decides everyone should roll. They can get as mad as they want, and that's just tough noogies.

JohnCoke · May 19, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

And you disgust me.

There is no reason that the the OP should have given up the sigil. He/she got it fair and square. Simply because they where ulucky they threaten the OP and I'm shure call him/her nasty names. It was a random drop they had a better chance to get it when it droped than the OP and the other guy. The only reason the wanted to dice roll was so that they could play the odds again.

I would have laughed to if they where threating me.

Someone with decent morales disgusts you... figures.

Never said it wasn't a fair drop and that he didn't have the right to keep it. Read the posts

Jana · May 19, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by JohnCoke

But quite frankly from where I stand, they're are 6 of them and it was obvious what they're aiming for. I'd let them have it, they did the work made the build but just quite didn't have enough people to fill it up.

ROFL

Good one. Yeah, I too would just give away 60,000 GOLD for no reason... once I hit the max of 100 Platinum in my inventory and 1000 Platinum in my bank... sure they can have it.

Killing me. LOL.

Jana

Mountain Man · May 19, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by JohnCoke

the other people calling them a whiny guild and laugh in their face... you disgust me.

Why? They had no claim to the sigil, and it was in rather poor taste for them to suggest an ad hoc no-risk-to-themselves gambling contest solely for their own benefit. No matter how you slice it, that's just poor sportsmanship. If they wanted the sigil then they should have done the honorable thing and offered a fair price for it.

TiC · May 19, 2005, 04:36 PM // 16:36

To be honest, I'm the kind of person who plays in the tombs to have a little fun, maybe win a few games, and that's that. I never have played to win the sigil, and don't necessarily care much if the drop goes to someone else. I'm even open to the possibility of selling the sigil and splitting the profits among those who played.

With that said, attitude is also important to me. I had a bad feeling from the moment they started trash talking the Koreans and drawing sexual organs on the compass that something like this would go down. Now that you guys have confirmed what I pretty much already knew, I see no reason to extend this courtesy to them. They tried to rip me off, were extremely rude about it, made constant threats which were laughable at best, and were all around being children about the situation.

Thanks for the input by the way guys, it's greatly appreciated.

Jana · May 19, 2005, 04:38 PM // 16:38

You know, it's not that we have no morals. Just yesterday, I sold a minor rune of absorption for 500 gold to an elemnetalist / warrior (interesting combo I though in that direction) who thought it could be used by everyone, not just warrior primaries.

She told me, and sighed, but did not ask for money back or some such crap. I contacted her a few seconds after and offered to refund her money for the rune back. She was stunned I would do that, and all was well, since we both lost nothing. Notice, she did not ask me to roll for the rune before she bought it, to have a shot at getting it free. It was my drop. Period, end of discussion.

IF I go into a group for ANY mission, I expect everyone to do their job and the system to randomly drop items for us. This is a RULE, not an exception.

IF you want a random item from me... unless I like you, owe you one or are in my guild and not a useless pieces of crap, then you pay. PERIOD. Helps to get this 10 second understanding out of the way right off the bat too.

Jana

Roken · May 19, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by TiC

I have an interesting scenario for you guys.
[U]The only reason I'm going out of my way to find out is because I firmly believe in fair play, and in the off chance this actually is common, then I will go ahead and do the right thing, despite the fact that I was arguing with a bunch of 9 year olds.[/U]

Very well put.

Ramus · May 19, 2005, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by Jana

ROFL

Good one. Yeah, I too would just give away 60,000 GOLD for no reason... once I hit the max of 100 Platinum in my inventory and 1000 Platinum in my bank... sure they can have it.

Killing me. LOL.

Jana

Oh yea, we all know how hard money is to get in Guild Wars and how many things you can buy with it.

Jana · May 19, 2005, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Ramus

Oh yea, we all know how hard money is to get in Guild Wars and how many things you can buy with it.

Cool, since it is so easy for you...

Character name is: Jana Marie (by the way, this is my real life first and middle name as well)

... shoot me a whisper where I can pick up all the extra money you have just laying around. I should be in game tonight at some point. You wait for me Mr. Moneybags

. I think 100 plat should suffice, oh Bill Gates of Ascalon.

Thanks in advance.

Jana

Ramus · May 19, 2005, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by Jana

Cool, since it is so easy for you...

Character name is: Jana Marie (by the way, this is my real life first and middle name as well)

... shoot me a whisper where I can pick up all the extra money you have just laying around. I should be in game tonight at some point. You wait for me Mr. Moneybags

. I think 100 plat should suffice, oh Bill Gates of Ascalon.

Thanks in advance.

Jana

I did not say I had that much money, I have enough to live on. But if I was in a group with 6 of the same group members who had no guild hall, and I got that sigel. (As I am in a guild with only one friend) I would not keep the sigel just so I could sell it off. I would have given it to them. As I said, its a moral issue. If he thinks he deserves it, he has every right to keep it.

JohnCoke · May 19, 2005, 05:23 PM // 17:23

Very well put Ramus, agreed. Never said it wasn't a fair drop, never said he didn't have the right to keep it, and never said they we're doing a good job of "asking nicely" or being good sportsman.

Simply put, if it was somebody with a different set of morals (Ramus and I evidently), we'd given the sigil to those who worked hardest for it and put the most in. If I was the guy who plays a few rounds for fun as TiC so blatantly put it.... then what the hell is the problem with giving them the sigil?

IxChel · May 19, 2005, 05:27 PM // 17:27

There are deals that I have made when filling-in another guild's open slot. I agreed to give them the sigal if it dropped to me; they agreed (regardless of the sigal) to give me at least one gold drops if I didn't get one. It was a fair deal; we didn't win the HoH, so the contract was mute. However, if we had won the HoH, I would have followed-up with my side of the contract.

Jana · May 19, 2005, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by JohnCoke

then what the hell is the problem with giving them the sigil?

((Last post on this thread.))

The difference is about 60,000 gold. Or 1 surperior vigor rune. Or 1 of every OTHER surperior rune out there. Or ALL 4 different Uber GOLD weapons. Or... etc.

Oh, if you say money is worth nothing and easy to get, you know my character name, just shoot me a whisper.

There it is, plain and simple. If, IF a team wins, then EVERYONE did their best and EVERYONE gets a fair shot at the rewards (determined by the system in this case). Since this is so hard for you to understand, I hope to one day group with you Cash Cows and rake it in, even if we all did our best.

Jana

JohnCoke · May 19, 2005, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Jana

((Last post on this thread.))

The difference is about 60,000 gold. Or 1 surperior vigor rune. Or 1 of every OTHER surperior rune out there. Or ALL 4 different Uber GOLD weapons. Or... etc.

Oh, if you say money is worth nothing and easy to get, you know my character name, just shoot me a whisper.

There it is, plain and simple. If, IF a team wins, then EVERYONE did their best and EVERYONE gets a fair shot at the rewards (determined by the system in this case). Since this is so hard for you to understand, I hope to one day group with you Cash Cows and rake it in, even if we all did our best.

Jana

I have 3k in gold, had one sigil sold it for 5k. Matter of morals. Yours are different... obviously. I don't spend time massively farming, but I know honesty and truth. And if your going to sit there and lie about how 1 person has put as much effort in as a group of 6 in the same guild... pfft. Really different morals

SOT · May 19, 2005, 05:42 PM // 17:42

I would have walked away with the damn sigil

Lasher Dragon · May 19, 2005, 05:46 PM // 17:46

I suppose it would be kinda fun to tell 'em "Sure, let's dice for it - Odds I win Evens you lose" and roll the dice. "I win, gg guys" and leave.

Soul Monarch · May 19, 2005, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Selling the sigil for gold is completely pointless as far as I'm concerned. I don't need to money, I find plenty of it laying around anyways.

It's quite simple:

If you don't have a Guild Hall and you need one, keep it.
If you have a Guild Hall, and they do not, give it to them.
If you have a Guild Hall, and so do they, keep it to sell.

The Sigil was yours by right (you only had a 12.5% chance, and you got lucky.) If your only use for it is to sell it and they still need a Hall, I'd give it to them. Other than that, keep it and use it for your own purposes.

Rahne Sinclaire · May 19, 2005, 06:05 PM // 18:05

I think the best solution is to just give me the sigil and pretend it never happened.
Who's with me?!
In all seriousness... it's YOUR sigil. Don't roll for it, that's just nonsense. Had they stated their conditions BEFORE you won it, it might have been a little better... but as it is, I just say to keep it. Congrats, by the way.

Harlas Kije · May 19, 2005, 06:07 PM // 18:07

Moral issues?

How about the 6 guild members in the group who never said anything at all about a sigil drop--either going to them or rolling dice until AFTER it was dropped? Being fair about it--they should have discussed this prior to the drop--before they even got going. In my opinion they did not thinking that if they did get it--it would more than likely go to them. Morally--they should have offered a dice roll among the 3 guilds there not each player. Also--consider this--what would they have said to the OP if one of them got it and HE suggested they roll???

Not sure where morals are in question here concerning the OP. If they had mentioned prior to him running with them-that they were only going for a sigil--then morals would be a question.

By bringing it up AFTER it dropped with his name on it is unfair to him. He should have had the choice to decide whether or not he wanted to group with them under the condition that there would be a roll for a sigil--by not giving him that option in the beginning only questions there "morals" or underlying motives.